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    Honest opinion. Let it be known that the following is all fact, no lies, and told 100% truth. My experience with John "Ranger" of Butthead Kennels.

    In November, 07 I contacted this known kennel about purchasing a pup off of a specific litter. Everything went smooth on the phone, I sent him $300 thru paypal as a deposit. The depost is "non refundable", $300 is the minimum to reserve a pick. Well, I reserved 3rd pick male.

    After a few days later, the spending bug hit me, and I sent him another $300 for another pup off a litter that was going to drop about 1 month after the first litter. Well about a week later and reviewing my funds I decided to roll the $300 from the 2nd pup to the 1st litter. So that is $600 given for one pup now.

    Time comes for the litter to drop, and only 1 pup dropped which later passed r.i.p. The breeder told me I have a few choices. I can either get my money back in full or transfer to another litter. I tell him that I want a refund. But after talking to my wife and it being Christmas and all, we didnt want to take $600 bucks away from him at that time. So I call him back the next day and told him to roll the money over to the next litter.

    The new litter drops, and enough females are born so everything is cool. I got moved up to 2nd pick female because of the 1st litter problem. All the picks had to be made when the pups turned 5 weeks. So I go over to his home to get some pics and video of the pups. I have my choice between two females. Well 1 female had a big overbite, and the other female was not able to walk normal.

    This female couldnt even bend one of her rear legs. This female would walk then fall down, she would swing her leg outward.

    I didnt make a pick, went home thought it over and later called him that I couldnt take any of the 2 pups. Because one had the overbite, and the other one with the bum leg. I asked for my money back, he agreed. But I told him to keep 50 bucks for all the trouble he went thru in showing me the pups and helping me get my other pups ears cut. He agreed and told me he would send me the money the next day. Cool right??

    Now it's the next evening and no money in my paypal account. I call him and he tells me if I can wait till monday because that was when everyone was going to pay off their pups. Ok, it's cool with me. Now comes Monday, and no money in my account, no call, no emails from him. So I email him because it was too late to call. I ask him whats up with the money. He responds later that night that he could only give me $300 of the $600 back because of the "no refund" policy. He said he took the pup to the vet and the vet said that the pup just developed slow. So this is why he wont give me the rest of my money back.

    After debating the situation with him, he has since given 425 of the 600. It's not the 175 i'm hurting over, it's the B.S. excuse as to why the full amount is not given in return.

    The problem here is that he told me he would give me ALL of my money back. So I took his word for it and researched on the boards for another pup. I ended up dropping 2K on a pup. (btw, the pup is a freak).

    Is this proper protocol on his behalf? I believe in the "no refund" policy, but I didnt back out the deal on my own purpose. I backed out only because the pups were defective.

    I know I should have only purchased with a contract. But not having a contract is not an excuse for someone to F me over.

    I guess $175 is enough to money to F someone over, and to lose future business with, and referrals. Excellent business move. Spend the $175 wisely.


    Pup with overbite



    Pup with jacked up leg
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1HJtIejpFo

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    You are lucky that you are aquainted with him on a friendly term. You both worked together and came up with a solution. It is hard to say because yes typically, you dont get $ back. However, since he started to refund you the $ anyways, that is HIS breach of contract, and by rights he should have to give you the rest.

    As far as the deformed pups. I have one with a HUGE overbite, he is not good for show or bite work, but boy is he c charm and can ull circles around other dogs! I gues it depends on what you want the dog for.

    The one with the bad leg-awwwe.

    I certainly wouldnt want to secure another pup from a litter there in the future.

    Any word as to why such bad luck with the litters? Poor pups that suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitchik View Post
    You are lucky that you are aquainted with him on a friendly term. You both worked together and came up with a solution. It is hard to say because yes typically, you dont get $ back. However, since he started to refund you the $ anyways, that is HIS breach of contract, and by rights he should have to give you the rest.

    As far as the deformed pups. I have one with a HUGE overbite, he is not good for show or bite work, but boy is he c charm and can ull circles around other dogs! I gues it depends on what you want the dog for.

    The one with the bad leg-awwwe.

    I certainly wouldnt want to secure another pup from a litter there in the future.

    Any word as to why such bad luck with the litters? Poor pups that suffer.
    I really wouldnt call it a solution. I'm not satisfied with the refund, I still would like the whole amount back. But i'm not going to take this guy to small claims over it. Karma will get him in the future.

    I will never do business with this kennel ever....never. I dont care if he has done right 99.9% of the time, but he did me wrong and he knows it.

    He agreed to give me the whole amount then he changes his mind??? That is not right. He acknowledges that the only reason why I backed out, was because of his defective pups. He even rubber banded the legs of that pup so she wouldnt fall.....and I was suppose to pay 1500 for that???

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    When it comes to this, it is so touchy. A contract, is basically worth as much as the paper it is written on. Seriously. When I sold my single pup, I had adapted a contract recommended by the UKC from a very well known breeder. It was very specific on everything to altering the dogs to giving the dogs back. It was so specific that in fact the owners were to report to me a certain times, tell me if they moved and where, etc, it even allowed visits!
    Anyway, recently, I was informed that the couple had split up, and they werent sure if they could keep the dog anymore. I agreed to take him back. But I havent heard a thing since, this has been weeks now.
    I of course contacted my lawyer immediatly and started the balll rolling.


    COME ON PEOPLE-First off if I can find them, what?I get the dog back. Thats if I can find them.After much checking into, even a notarized contract of this sort, with legal back up, isnt woth the paper it is written on!

    Just an example-not closely related, of how people and breeders in this industry can get away with whatever-as well as consumers.

    Yes you shoul dget the money back. Small claims court, probably not worth the worry and hassel. But by reporting your experience widespread, maybe he will get feedback, lose customers, and change his mind and realize his mistake!

    Sorry

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    I agree with you 100%. Sorry for your situation as well. I'm not going to hate on the man's income, he has a family to feed. It's not my intention to make him lose customers.

    However it is my intention to speak the truth. Hopefully this will help any new comers or anyone by learning from my experience.

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    sorry homie!!! i know it feels bad when someone snakes you!!! i feel your pain.

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    Bright idea!Depending on what you want to use the dog for anyways, tell the guy you will take the dog with the overbite instead of what ever else he owes you. You already got back the majority of the $ right?

    Overbites are not always genetically passed on. Your vet can help you determin if this one is or not, but the only way to tell is by offspring in the future, and it is hard to decide if you want to risk it.

    When mine was born, because of his over all appearance I was excited.....for show, what have you. When I noticed his over bite-which by the way is an inch now!!!- I trained him on wp.

    If anything, she'd be a wonderful pet Im sure!

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    I cant take the one with the overbite. That one has been sold already. I wouldnt want to spend that much money for a dog with an overbite.

    I had 2nd pick female out of 3 total females. So he gave the guy who had 3rd pick female my slot (2nd pick) after he agreed to give me my refund. That shows that he was planning on giving me my money back.

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    Arrow MAN O MAN

    I DIDNT EVEN READ....BUT I KNOW FROM A PREVIOUS POST....
    AND SORRY TO HEAR OF SUCH NONSENSE....SORRY YOU HAD TO EXPERIENCE SUCH AN EPISODE OF WHAT I WOULD CALL...STRAIGHT BULLSHIT......AND MOST OF ALL......SORRY HE CARRIES THAT NAME.
    BUTTHEAD KENNELS...........

    HES A NICE GUY...HIS FAMILY IS NICE AS WELL....JUST A LIL DISAPPOINTED RIGHT NOW.....US PURE 100% BUTTHEAD BREEDERS DONT DO THAT KINDA SHIT

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    Big Robb,

    He is a nice guy, his family too! I met his kids, and his wife, they were all cool with me thru out this process. They helped me out a lot on all sorts of questions that I had.

    It's unfortunate that it happened like this. I love the butthead line and still want to own one in the near future. It's just sad that the end result happened.

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    Hey Homie Im Sorry To Hear That Your Are Going Thru This With Jonh(Butthead Kennels). I Met The Homie Personally And He Was A Straight Up Dude But Like U Said If He Agreed To Give U Your Money Back Then Thats Whats Should Have Happend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucho562 View Post
    Big Robb,

    He is a nice guy, his family too! I met his kids, and his wife, they were all cool with me thru out this process. They helped me out a lot on all sorts of questions that I had.

    It's unfortunate that it happened like this. I love the butthead line and still want to own one in the near future. It's just sad that the end result happened.
    I went through a similar episode.

    U really got to cover ur ass.

    Its good you got pics and video tho. Hope it all works out. U got our support if needed.

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    ... File a paypal claim, or do a chargeback if you used a credit card. :-/

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    Thanks for the support guys. I needed the reassurance that I was not doing wrong in this situation.

    I wont file the claim, I believe Karma will take care of this. He's already losing a lot of money by not doing the right thing....I would have bought 2 pups off of him this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucho562 View Post
    Thanks for the support guys. I needed the reassurance that I was not doing wrong in this situation.

    I wont file the claim, I believe Karma will take care of this. He's already losing a lot of money by not doing the right thing....I would have bought 2 pups off of him this year.
    For the money ur spending you need to be dealing with the top notch breeders. Im sure theres a few people on here that know a few people that have some bomb ass breedings going down for a good price.

    I say get u a bad ass female n go from there.

    Save the rest of ur money for studs..

    Well thats what Id do anyways if planning to breed.

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    same thing happened to a friend of mine here in the islands.. he contacted a very reputable breeder there in the states and they worked out a deal. te female was supposed to be shipped after the money was sent so 3000 USD was sent. a month later, no dog came in!!!!! he emailsed her and she replied that she decided she wanted to breed the bitch first before sending it over so she could get some pups off her (red flag rred flag!!!!!) he agreed ( couldn't do much about it anyway) on the condition that he would get at least one puppy back and that he would send the money (for shipping for the puppy) once the dam was sent ... nothing came!!!!! he called and emailed and she said she'd had some marital probs and that she was splitting up with her husband so she didn't have time to send her over.... months later.... no dog still!!!!

    he asked for a refund and she said she couldn't do so because the courts froze their money til there was a settlement ( BS>>>BS>>>BS!!!!) since then she's sold the puppies off the breeding and til today almost two years later.... she hasn't replied to any of his contacts!!! dang!!!!!

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    Sucks U Had To Got Through That Bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1_Pit_Breeder View Post
    Sucks U Had To Got Through That Bro.
    It sucked but it turned out better for me. Thanks

    Damn who bumped this up? This is old news...lol

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    Thumbs down Damn!!

    I WAS JUST ON HIS SITE..........THERES A BREEDING THAT HE SAYS...

    "PURE BUTTHEAD BLOODLINE BREEDING".....AND ITS ONLY HALF....THE FEMALE......THE MALE IS SARGE/NTK.............

    MIGHT NOT BE A BIG DEAL TO SOME ...BUT TO ME..........LOL

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    YES....I KNOW THE BLOOD ISNT MINE....BUT.....ITS ALL I DEAL WITH AND REP LIKE NO OTHER........

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    bump

    RIP Big Robb

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